J20 Shock to PLAAF
Blue: J20 * 2, with lensen lens, only carries Mid-Range AAM
Red: Several 3.5x gen fighter + Several 3x gen fighter + KJ500 AWACs
Blue Target: Kill KJ500 AWACs
J20 entered by low altitude, kills 3x gen 1 by 1,
KJ500 turned to the opposite and ran, called 3.5x back
J20 tried to make sure of kill, was too close to KJ500, KJ500 downed but located J20 in radar, distributed to 3.5x via datalink,
J20 out of AAM and ran
3.5x AESA was able to see through the ECM from J20
Red: KJ500 AWACs killed. All 3x killed, lots of 3.5x killed.
Blue: 1 J20 killed.
Multiple J20 and J16 played 3rd party other than Blue/Red (most likely simulates F22/F15)
Red: 3.5x, 3x, SAM, AWACs, Ground based Radar,...entire PLAAF set up before J20
Blue Target: kill key Red battle node (Blue most likely simulates TaiWan forces)
J20 as information node, J16 receives tactical information from J20 and shoots Long-Range AAM (PL21/PL15?), downed lots of Red planes (like F35, A shoot B guide)
Red tried to use SAM as bait, but backfired and lost SAM units.
Blue successfully killed key battle node (Airport? AWACs? Ground EW Radar? whatever...)
Only 1 J16 was down by Red
DRILLs proved many so-called PLAAF 'tactics' before J20 entering service, were just empty thinking.
J20 shocked PLAAF because its performance exceeded people's expectations and busted the fantasies that China could counter America's air superiority with 3rd generation fighters, it made plaaf generals realize that the tactics they used to devise to counter American F22 and F35 were totally obsolete.
I hope you will forgive me for raising my eyebrows on this piece of news because anything of this nature coming from Chinese internet can very well be propaganda. I have no way of telling truth from lies here.
Now before my Chinese fellows start, I am not trying to deny that J 20 is a more capable platform than any of the 4th generation (by International classification) fighters like J-11. But I will not be surprised if much of this exercise was scripted for public consumption.
You are a joke like your Chinese planes and other weapons . J20 is such a junk ( Chinese call it a fifth generation plane ) which is a fifth generation plane without the engine of fifth generation plane, without sophisticated radar, without weapons of fifth generation planes. It is not stealth and it's designer was sacked for such bad design .
The J20 is the first heavy weight fighter produced outside of the West and Russia. Your own country spent more than 2 decades trying to develop a LIGHT WEIGHT jet fighter yet you have the gall to call the J20 junk? You're so far behind you're not even in the race son
Don't think that it will take long for IAF to develop tactics. They are far superior to PLAAF in this. In fact, superior tactics and training is the only advantage IAF have vis-a-vis PLAAF.
You have to admit that J-20 is primarily based on Mig 1.44. But still China did a good job of updating its design and I'm sure its avionics are totally different from Mig's original design.
While it's true that it takes a lot of work to make small changes to an aircraft's design still China would not have achieved the development pace it did with the J-20 had it not bought the design of the Mig 1.44. Tweaking designs is still much easier than starting from scratch.
Well chinese can churn out the planes in numbers quickly, but can they train their pilots that quickly?? Shortage of skilled pilots is a real nuisance for every air force in the world...
It's clear that Mig 1.44 was the starting design of J-20. The Chinese simply incorporated stealth designed features and other improvements.
Chinese did manage to seal F35 data. So they may have used some of these..
Mig 1.44 wasn't actually a stealth design. If it proceeded to production it would have been dubbed as 4.5th gen
J20 not only does copy mig1.44,but also ef2000/refale...
in fact ,it also copys jas39/J10/J9...etc.
the list is soo long. as we see, they all have canards..
and J20 also copy Boeing 737,as we see, they all have wings.
China is one of the Five Permanent UN Security Council members because of the Chinese contribution to WWII. China fought under her own flag.
The Union Jack flew at Imphal and Kohima. That is why Great Britain is a peer of China on the P5.
The P5 was awarded to nations considered the victors of WWII. India was not considered a victor.
The real facts are :
1) China is one of the victors of WWII with UN P5 seat,
2) Kohima and Imphal were two battles in a raid with a very limited amount of Japanese troops and long supply lines; Japan-China war was total warfare,
3) Both China and Japan are far, far, far wealthier and developed than India; and so are South Korea and Taiwan,
4) China has two stealth fighter programs with pictures of flying aircraft and all I hear are sour grape comments instead of matching pictures of Indian steath aircraft
I feel sorry for hopeless Chinkie trolls, your own "sour grapes" comment suits perfectly on you...
1.) UN P5 position doesn't matters, what matters here is you got slaughtered in millions by Japanese.
2.)What about British flag? the troops who fought were all indians and unlike chinese who were just slaughtered like cattle by the japanese, indian troops gave japanese their greatest defeat in history and infact contributed significantly to the allied victory in ww 2.What china did, it just got raped by japs.
3.) Don't forget till the 80s china was dirt poor when compared to india, it was only after the 90s when they left us behind.
4.) Oh please don't embarrass yourself ...this is not censored china forum.. here everybody know how you shamelessly copies whole SU series with help from russians , how china copied israeli lavi and and shamelessly stole design of Mig 1.44...
Looks like i am casting pearls before a swine, anyway i will continue to Burst your bubble:
1.) Chinese seat at p5 was not due to victory of china, it was due to sheer sympathy that western powers gave china a seat, china didn't give millions of casualties to japan, its the other way round.
2.) China was not greatest power on earth , it was the weakest , poorest and dirtiest of all P5 till the 90s.Vietnam fought China in 1979 and killed 9,000 People's Liberation Army troops in a single month. Japan's occupation of China in the 1930s and '40s killed millions of Chinese.
When china was getting the P5 seat, India was still being ruled by the British. In this regard, china was more eligible than India.
If it was not China holding back the Japanese for eight years and not surrendering like france, Japanese army had swept India like it did in southeast asia. China was the most important force of ally in the far east asia, Chiang Kai-shek, the then leader of Chinese nationalist government was named the supreme commander of allied force, commanding military force, both Chinese and foreign in the region.
When you look at it this way, China didn't really contributed to ww 2 , it was India which contributed significantly to allied victory.India even fought on european and african soil , did china fought there? heck china couldn't even defend itself properly....If it was not for india holding fascist forces in Africa and at several points in Europe too..then allied forces may have tasted defeat.
Japanese army could've not swept india ,heck they couldn't even cross India north eastern border where they were killed off like flies.. it's different matter that if west will ever acknowledge indian contribution in allied victory...
Tell me why China is still importing Su 35 from russia and marine turbine from Ukraine..