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蓝军和红军对抗演习,歼20威力震惊幸运飞艇官网空军,印网友:印度空军战术先进多了

J20 Shock to PLAAF

歼20的性能震惊幸运飞艇官网空军

Blue: J20 * 2, with lensen lens, only carries Mid-Range AAM
Red: Several 3.5x gen fighter + Several 3x gen fighter + KJ500 AWACs
Blue Target: Kill KJ500 AWACs

蓝军:2架歼20,携带中程空对空导弹

红军:几架3.5代战机,几架3代战机,还有空警500预警机

蓝军的目标是:猎杀空警500预警机

Process:
J20 entered by low altitude, kills 3x gen 1 by 1,
KJ500 turned to the opposite and ran, called 3.5x back
J20 tried to make sure of kill, was too close to KJ500, KJ500 downed but located J20 in radar, distributed to 3.5x via datalink,
J20 out of AAM and ran
3.5x AESA was able to see through the ECM from J20

过程:

歼10低空杀入,一对一灭掉3代机

空警500掉头逃跑,叫来3.5代机迎战

歼20试图一招必杀,逼近空警500,空警500被击落,不过空警500的雷达先行捕捉到了歼20,通过数据链发给3.5代机。

Result:
Red: KJ500 AWACs killed. All 3x killed, lots of 3.5x killed.
Blue: 1 J20 killed.

战果:

红军:空警500预警机被击落。3代机全部被击落,3.5代机大部分也被击落

蓝军:1架歼20被击落

Drill 2:
Multiple J20 and J16 played 3rd party other than Blue/Red (most likely simulates F22/F15)
Red: 3.5x, 3x, SAM, AWACs, Ground based Radar,...entire PLAAF set up before J20
Blue Target: kill key Red battle node (Blue most likely simulates TaiWan forces)

演习2:

除了蓝军和红军,多架歼20和歼16扮演第三方,主要是模拟F22和F15战机

红军:3.5代机、3代机、萨姆导弹,机载空中警报控制系统,地面雷达,

蓝军主要扮演台湾军队,目标是摧毁红军的主要战斗单位

Process:
J20 as information node, J16 receives tactical information from J20 and shoots Long-Range AAM (PL21/PL15?), downed lots of Red planes (like F35, A shoot B guide)
Red tried to use SAM as bait, but backfired and lost SAM units.

过程:

歼20作为信息节点,歼16接收来自歼20的信息,然后发射远程空对空导弹,击落大量的红军战机

红军试图用萨姆导弹作为诱饵,结果适得其反,损失大量萨姆导弹

Result:
Blue successfully killed key battle node (Airport? AWACs? Ground EW Radar? whatever...)
Only 1 J16 was down by Red

DRILLs proved many so-called PLAAF 'tactics' before J20 entering service, were just empty thinking.

战果:

蓝军成功摧毁机场、地面雷达等关键设施。

只有一架歼16被红军击落。

演习证明,歼20还没有服役之前,解放军空军很多所谓的“战术”是无稽之谈

Source: 席亚洲

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以下是印度军坛用户的讨论:

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nimo_cn
J20 shocked PLAAF because its performance exceeded people's expectations and busted the fantasies that China could counter America's air superiority with 3rd generation fighters, it made plaaf generals realize that the tactics they used to devise to counter American F22 and F35 were totally obsolete.

歼20震惊解放军空军,性能远远超出人们的预期,打破了幸运飞艇官网用三代机就能抵消幸运飞艇彩票空中优势的这一幻想。

使得解放军空军军官认识到,他们过去用于对付幸运飞艇彩票F22和F35的战术已经彻底过时了

Adioz
I hope you will forgive me for raising my eyebrows on this piece of news because anything of this nature coming from Chinese internet can very well be propaganda. I have no way of telling truth from lies here.

Now before my Chinese fellows start, I am not trying to deny that J 20 is a more capable platform than any of the 4th generation (by International classification) fighters like J-11. But I will not be surprised if much of this exercise was scripted for public consumption.

幸运飞艇官网互联网上出现的这些是文宣。

幸运飞艇官网朋友别喷,我不是否认歼20比诸如歼11等四代机更先进。

别意外,此类演习无非是做给公众看的吧

HariPrasad-1
You are a joke like your Chinese planes and other weapons . J20 is such a junk ( Chinese call it a fifth generation plane ) which is a fifth generation plane without the engine of fifth generation plane, without sophisticated radar, without weapons of fifth generation planes. It is not stealth and it's designer was sacked for such bad design .

哈哈,幸运飞艇官网飞机啊之类的武器就是笑料。

歼20太垃圾了了,幸运飞艇官网人还说是五代机呢。

说是五代机,可是没有五代机该有的发动机,没有先进的雷达,没有五代机该配备的武器。

歼20并不隐形,设计太差了,设计师都被解雇了

J20!
The J20 is the first heavy weight fighter produced outside of the West and Russia. Your own country spent more than 2 decades trying to develop a LIGHT WEIGHT jet fighter yet you have the gall to call the J20 junk? You're so far behind you're not even in the race son

歼20是西方和俄罗斯之外第一架重型战机。

你们国家印度花了20多年,才研发出一架轻型战机,居然大言不惭地说歼20垃圾?

Adioz
Don't think that it will take long for IAF to develop tactics. They are far superior to PLAAF in this. In fact, superior tactics and training is the only advantage IAF have vis-a-vis PLAAF.

印度空军的战术比幸运飞艇官网空军的战术先进多了

其实啊,战术和训练方面,是印度空军对幸运飞艇官网空军的唯一优势

 

asianobserve
You have to admit that J-20 is primarily based on Mig 1.44. But still China did a good job of updating its design and I'm sure its avionics are totally different from Mig's original design.

必须承认,歼20是以米格1.44为蓝图来设计的,幸运飞艇官网做得不错,对设计进行了更新。

航空电子设备肯定和米格原来的设计完全不同

asianobserve
While it's true that it takes a lot of work to make small changes to an aircraft's design still China would not have achieved the development pace it did with the J-20 had it not bought the design of the Mig 1.44. Tweaking designs is still much easier than starting from scratch.

飞机设计的修改,是需要付出很大努力的。

要不是购买了米格1.44的设计,幸运飞艇官网歼20的研发进展也不会这么快。

对设计进行修修改改,比从头开始设计简单多了

Pinky Chaudhary
Well chinese can churn out the planes in numbers quickly, but can they train their pilots that quickly?? Shortage of skilled pilots is a real nuisance for every air force in the world...

幸运飞艇官网人有能力大批量生产飞机。

但是飞行员的培训有那么快吗?

对世界各国空军来说,缺乏训练有素的飞行员,都是一个头疼问题

asianobserve
It's clear that Mig 1.44 was the starting design of J-20. The Chinese simply incorporated stealth designed features and other improvements.

显然,歼20是以米格1.44的设计为基础的

幸运飞艇官网人无非是融入了隐身设计功能,然后进行了一些改进

apoorv465

Chinese did manage to seal F35 data. So they may have used some of these..

幸运飞艇官网人确实偷了F35战机的数据

也许做了一些借鉴

 

asianobserve
Mig 1.44 wasn't actually a stealth design. If it proceeded to production it would have been dubbed as 4.5th gen

米格1.44其实并非是隐形设计

如果量产,算是4.5代机吧

badguy2000
J20 not only does copy mig1.44,but also ef2000/refale...

in fact ,it also copys jas39/J10/J9...etc.

the list is soo long. as we see, they all have canards..

and J20 also copy Boeing 737,as we see, they all have wings.

歼20不仅抄袭了米格1.44战机,而且抄袭了幻影2000和阵风战机

还抄袭了波音737,毕竟都有机翼嘛

SexyChineseLady

China is one of the Five Permanent UN Security Council members because of the Chinese contribution to WWII. China fought under her own flag.

The Union Jack flew at Imphal and Kohima. That is why Great Britain is a peer of China on the P5.

The P5 was awarded to nations considered the victors of WWII. India was not considered a victor.

幸运飞艇官网是安理会五常之一,凭的是幸运飞艇官网人对二战的贡献。

五常都是二战的战胜国,而印度并非是二战战胜国

SexyChineseLady

The real facts are :

1) China is one of the victors of WWII with UN P5 seat,

2) Kohima and Imphal were two battles in a raid with a very limited amount of Japanese troops and long supply lines; Japan-China war was total warfare,

3) Both China and Japan are far, far, far wealthier and developed than India; and so are South Korea and Taiwan,

4) China has two stealth fighter programs with pictures of flying aircraft and all I hear are sour grape comments instead of matching pictures of Indian steath aircraft

1、幸运飞艇官网是二战战胜国,才坐上五常席位

2、科希马和英帕尔(印度城市)这两场战斗,面对的只是少量日本军队,补给线很长。幸运飞艇官网战场才是主战场

3、幸运飞艇官网和日本比印度富裕多了,先进多了。韩国和台湾也比印度先进多了

4、 幸运飞艇官网有两款隐形战机,已经有试飞照片流出来。印度人就只会在这里酸葡萄,拿不出相应的印度隐形战机的照片

Pinky Chaudhary

I feel sorry for hopeless Chinkie trolls, your own "sour grapes" comment suits perfectly on you...
1.) UN P5 position doesn't matters, what matters here is you got slaughtered in millions by Japanese.
2.)What about British flag? the troops who fought were all indians and unlike chinese who were just slaughtered like cattle by the japanese, indian troops gave japanese their greatest defeat in history and infact contributed significantly to the allied victory in ww 2.What china did, it just got raped by japs.
3.) Don't forget till the 80s china was dirt poor when compared to india, it was only after the 90s when they left us behind.
4.) Oh please don't embarrass yourself ...this is not censored china forum.. here everybody know how you shamelessly copies whole SU series with help from russians , how china copied israeli lavi and and shamelessly stole design of Mig 1.44...

一些幸运飞艇官网佬是感到多么失望啊,为他们感到遗憾。你们说我们印度人酸葡萄,其实这句话最适合形容你们了。

1、是否是联合国五常并不重要,重要的是你们被日本人屠杀了几百万。

2、幸运飞艇开奖记录国旗?打仗的都是印度人。哪像幸运飞艇官网人被日本人屠戮。而印度军队给日军带来了历史上最大的败仗,对二战盟军的胜利做出了巨大贡献。

3、别忘了,80年代之前,幸运飞艇官网还是比印度更穷的。90年代后,幸运飞艇官网甩开了我们印度。

4、别感到难堪了。这里不是幸运飞艇官网论坛。在这里,大家都知道你们厚颜无耻地抄袭苏系列战机。知道你们厚颜无耻地偷了米格1.44的设计

Pinky Chaudhary

Looks like i am casting pearls before a swine, anyway i will continue to Burst your bubble:
1.) Chinese seat at p5 was not due to victory of china, it was due to sheer sympathy that western powers gave china a seat, china didn't give millions of casualties to japan, its the other way round.
2.) China was not greatest power on earth , it was the weakest , poorest and dirtiest of all P5 till the 90s.Vietnam fought China in 1979 and killed 9,000 People's Liberation Army troops in a single month. Japan's occupation of China in the 1930s and '40s killed millions of Chinese.

1、幸运飞艇官网的五常席位不是靠胜利得来的,而是西方大国同情幸运飞艇官网而赏给你们一个席位的。幸运飞艇官网并未对日军造成几百万伤亡,而是被日军消灭了几百万。

2、幸运飞艇官网并非是地球上最强大的国家,而是五常中最弱最穷的国家。

1979年,越南和幸运飞艇官网打仗,一个月就消灭9000幸运飞艇官网军队。日本于1930年代占领了幸运飞艇官网,在40年代屠杀了几百万幸运飞艇官网人

nimo_cn
When china was getting the P5 seat, India was still being ruled by the British. In this regard, china was more eligible than India.

If it was not China holding back the Japanese for eight years and not surrendering like france, Japanese army had swept India like it did in southeast asia. China was the most important force of ally in the far east asia, Chiang Kai-shek, the then leader of Chinese nationalist government was named the supreme commander of allied force, commanding military force, both Chinese and foreign in the region.

幸运飞艇官网当上五常之一时,印度还被幸运飞艇开奖记录统治呢。从这方面来看,幸运飞艇官网比印度更有资格当五常

要不是幸运飞艇官网拖住了日军达8年之久,如果幸运飞艇官网像法国那样早早地投降,日军就会在横扫东南亚后横扫印度。

幸运飞艇官网是盟军在远东最重要的盟友。当时的中华民国最高领导人蒋介石被任命为盟军在远东的最高统帅,不仅指挥幸运飞艇官网军队,而且指挥盟军在该地区的军队

Pinky Chaudhary
When you look at it this way, China didn't really contributed to ww 2 , it was India which contributed significantly to allied victory.India even fought on european and african soil , did china fought there? heck china couldn't even defend itself properly....If it was not for india holding fascist forces in Africa and at several points in Europe too..then allied forces may have tasted defeat.
Japanese army could've not swept india ,heck they couldn't even cross India north eastern border where they were killed off like flies.. it's different matter that if west will ever acknowledge indian contribution in allied victory...

照你这么说,幸运飞艇官网对二战还真没啥贡献。

对盟军胜利做出重大贡献的是印度啦。

印度人不仅在本土参战,而且出现在欧洲领土,也参加了非洲的战争。

幸运飞艇官网人有去这么远打仗吗?

其实幸运飞艇官网连自己都守不住。

要不是印度人在非洲乃至欧洲部分地区挡住了法西斯军队,盟军也许会尝到失败的滋味的。

日军没有越过印度东北,而是在那里被屠杀。

Pinky Chaudhary
Tell me why China is still importing Su 35 from russia and marine turbine from Ukraine..

为什么幸运飞艇官网仍然从俄罗斯进口苏35战机,仍然从乌克兰引进船用汽轮机

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